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REPORTER:
A runner is gunned down

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out of nowhere today on
the road near Wells Lake.

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In custody is one man,
24-year-old John Suleski.

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MAN: There's a thing
inside of me, it's like...

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the appetite --
it's like a wolf that's...

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feeling...the hunger.

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Going into the interview,
the detectives

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might have been wondering,
given the way that

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Brett Morrison was killed,
was this a personal vendetta?

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Was this some revenge

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that he was trying to get
against this specific target?

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Or was it just completely
at random?

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If so, what's the reason
for that?

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SAHNI: The victim
was Brent Morrison,

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a 44-year-old professional --
he was an avid runner.

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What his wife
confirms is that Suleski doesn't

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really have any friends
or a social routine in town,

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and so that helps detectives to
realize that there really is

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even less of a nexus to
the victim, and it appears that

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this may have been a crime of
a complete stranger.

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RAGHAVAN:
The marriage is failing.

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His wife doesn't know
what's going on with him.

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He's very introverted --
it sounds like

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this is not a connected
relationship, and that he's

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critical of his wife's
appearance, and that he is very

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focused on his own appearance.

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She says he's at
the gym all the time,

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and he's commenting
about her being fat -- speaks to

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some perspective that maybe
this is where we begin to see

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some of the narcissism
in Suleski,

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that he has an idea of
what people should be,

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and that most people don't
live up to that standard.

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Why would you kill someone
you didn't know,

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and why would you kill him
so cold bloodedly?

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And one possibility that comes
to mind is this is a man who is

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completely repressed,
he is sort of tightly coiled up,

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and he doesn't express himself.

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SAHNI:
She's just overwhelmed by

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the whole situation,
but her reaction is also still,

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at the same time, somewhat
deflated and restrained.

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And that restrained reaction
makes me wonder

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if there is more going on.

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She's had concerns but
dismissed them, and now, when

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you look at those concerns
overlaid on this crime, she has

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some things
she's starting to put together.

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Ultimately,
for any spouse,

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this would be
a nightmare situation.

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Suleski's ability to stay calm
and to stay in control

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of his narrative is
somewhat striking.

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He knows
he's committed this crime.

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He knows he's given authorities
permission to search

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his vehicle,
and they found the firearm.

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He seems to just be

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going about business as usual,
he wants to preserve the story

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that he's telling authorities,
and that quality is more

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consistent with what we see in
psychopathic individuals.

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There's a shallowness to
their affect or emotion.

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There's a lack of willingness
to take responsibility

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for what they've done.

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There's generally a cool
and calm about how they handle

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stress, and it's their own
narcissism to some degree.

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They believe and confidently
feel they can pull this off.

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He's on a sinking ship
and he, you know, he doesn't

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really know how to create
a good story, so he comes up

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with a terrible story --
he's trying to figure out how to

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get out of this mess.

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TUSSEY: So yes,
they've searched his car,

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they found the bullets, and
the best story that he can come

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up with is that he was trying
to shoot a squirrel.

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Maybe he thinks he's so smart,

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and these detectives
are so dumb,

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they couldn't possibly put
two and two together.

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That sort of grandiosity
is also a trait of psychopathy.

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They manipulate,
they lie,

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and they do what they need to,
to get out of

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the responsibility of whatever
it is that they've done.

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What's interesting is Suleski's
body language

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shifts at this point
in the interview, and now,

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he starts nodding in agreement
with the detective in

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the affirmative, as in
the detective is saying,

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"I don't believe this BS story,"
and he's nodding, "Yes."

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In other words,
"I agree with you. This is BS."

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TUSSEY: The detective said,
"You have

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a chance to take the floor now."
He's feeding into Suleski's

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narcissism
and grandiosity, basically,

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and saying, "Here you lead."

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It's like the detectives are
baiting him, and he's taking it.

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Once he has taken the stage,
he literally takes the stage.

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He pours on the theatrics,
so now we see these shallow

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tears, we see him acting like
he's overcome with emotion at

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certain parts of this, that
he can't even tell the story.

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Individuals with psychopathy
tend to have a callousness

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and a shallow affect,

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meaning they know what
to say or how to act,

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but it's not
necessarily genuine.

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He's saying what he thinks
they want to hear.

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He's acting upset --
It's unclear

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if he's even upset that
an innocent man was shot,

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or if he's really just upset
that he's caught,

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and everything leans
toward the latter.

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Ultimately, it just doesn't
hold true that this is someone

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who would switch from being
suicidal to suddenly homicidal.

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We see this in the field often,
that somebody, in order to

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either gain sympathy from
the people who are interrogating

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them or to start to lay
the foundation for some kind of

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an insanity defense, might make
a claim of suicidal ideation

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or an attempt to kill themselves
when, in fact, they were not

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attempting to kill themselves at
all -- it's nothing other than

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another tactic of manipulation,
and it's just one of the tools

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they use in that toolbox.

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We start to see
the callousness

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with which Suleski
engaged in this crime.

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He's talking about the victim's
reaction after being hit

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the first time with this firearm
and this bullet, and it almost

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seems like Suleski's offended
by the fact that the victim

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didn't give him a more
spectacular reaction, that all

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he did was say, "Ow," as if
it was a bee or a bug bite.

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SAHNI: Suleski shot
the victim nine times.

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It's such a level of excess
violence that he was getting

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a thrill out of what he did --
there was no reason to continue

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to shoot this innocent
individual who never fought

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back, didn't even see
his perpetrator coming.

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You have to just think
that not only was he

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on an adrenaline high
and just kept going,

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but he wanted to be absolutely
certain he hit his target.

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TUSSEY: He's losing control
of his finances.

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He's losing control
of his marriage,

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and rather than
react in a way a healthy

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individual might, by taking
steps to improve those

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problems, he decides to go to
the extreme, and he reacts in

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rage toward an innocent victim.

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SAHNI: Suleski's decision
to shoot and kill

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the victim speaks to how he
sees people -- they're objects,

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they're replaceable,
they're substitutable.

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It's no different than a person
choosing to line up soda cans

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or beer cans on a wall
and engage in target practice.

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That's what he wanted in that
moment, and that's what

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he decided to give himself.

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[sobbing]

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TUSSEY: He shot this man,
and now he's claiming,

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very theatrically so,
by the way,

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that he wanted to help
him with a first aid kit.

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It just doesn't mesh together --
using what he knows to try to

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manipulate the detectives
even more.

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He knows he should be
upset by this.

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That's the right response,
to be crying and to

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say you wanted to help someone.

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[quietly sobbing]

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It feels like
there's an internal conflict.

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He's been thinking
of hurting someone,

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because he's so angry
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both of these things kind of
meshing with each other,

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and he snaps, and so there's
a suspension at the moment of

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the feelings that make us
human, that make us be angry

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but not kill, that make us,
you know, understand what

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the taking of a life is,
and so in that moment,

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the suspension of these feelings
led him to act in ways that

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were really psychopathic.

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[sobbing]

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It's possible he is trying
to rein himself back in

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from the theatrical show that

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he just put on, and he's trying
to calm himself back down.

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It looks as if he's looking up
at the camera at one point --

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intentionally and thinking,
I'm gonna look a certain way.

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I'm gonna present myself
a certain way here while

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the cameras are rolling and no
one else is in here, and maybe

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this will be helpful later on
down the line.

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How many times do we all
wake up every single day,

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we go about our normal routine,

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and we have no thought that
we're not coming home that day?

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You're just out there
running on a Saturday morning,

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probably before you do laundry,
you go get your groceries,

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you meet friends for lunch
or dinner.

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That is what
the victim's life was.

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And that morning,
he never made it home.

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You don't see it coming --
we don't expect to run into

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a John Suleski.